We live in exciting times of great discoveries in all areas of science. The last ten years have been revolutionary in significant areas of medicine, genetics, neuroscience, as well as physics, alternative sources of energy, astrophysics and the world of the very tiny, quantum physics. Some of these discoveries, with the help of equally astonishing advances in technology, computers, robotics and exotic synthetic materials, are bringing us ever closer to what used to exist only in science fiction novels and movies. Our favorite science fiction writers of yesterday have become, without them realizing it, prophets of things to come in our era. They have become visionaries of real scientific facts and discoveries of today, technologically viable inventions that are changing our lifestyles, our understanding of the universe and our place in it. The imagination of previous generations probably never fathomed that the scientists of today would be conducting teleportation experiments in a laboratory — and succeeding in doing so! Little did they know that we would be sending probes to study the sun at close proximity, land on Mars and discover that there are signs of water there on the rocks and landscape. Who could have thought then that international governments would develop remote-viewing programs as reliable strategies in intelligence gathering? Even us today would find it outstanding that physicists are even discussing the real possibility of building a time machine and considering it only an engineering problem, not a scientifically unsound impossibility. We truly live today in the science fiction novels of yesterday!
SuperConsciousness had the opportunity to speak with author and explorer, Marie D. Jones, co-author of This Book Is from the Future and, previously, 11:11, The Time Prompt Phenomenon. She guides us through her research on time travel from the scientific experiments and theories that support it to the paranormal, including altered states of consciousness, conspiracies and UFO phenomena that often are connected to the concept of time travel and time slips, just as the plot of any good sci-fi best-selling novel would have it! Do not miss this interesting exclusive interview. Who knows, maybe we are already living in the future and have not even realized it yet!
SuperConsciousness: Can you tell us about your background and what led you to write this book?
Marie Jones: I’ve been writing full time for about ten years now, mainly non-fiction, science, paranormal, metaphysics. My publisher approached me and my co-author, Larry Flaxman, about writing a book on time travel, which we had been thinking about doing anyway because we were both fascinated with the subject matter. We said sure, we’ll do it. We wanted to write a book that didn’t just include the science, we wanted to also be able to talk about the pop culture aspects and even how we might be time traveling mentally as well as doing it physically.
SC: That was an interesting point in the book, that maybe we’re already time traveling but not in the way we think. Can you give us some examples of time slips and chronesthesia and tell us what they are?
MJ: When we talk about time slips, there are people all over the world who have experienced what are referred to as time slips or missing time, time anomalies where they may be out just traveling in a car or walking, engaged in normal activity and they, all of a sudden, might enter a kind of electrical fog or a kind of greenish mist. It’s been reported different ways but let’s say they enter a very unusual fog. They start to feel very disoriented, maybe confused, almost like they’re losing consciousness. But when they regain awareness, they realize that they are much further along than they had intended to be. Maybe they start out going to the corner store, but when they come out of the time slip, they’re 200 or 300 miles down the road and five hours have passed where it should have just been a 15 minute trip. There’s some kind of time distortion and spacial distortion that occurs. Some people have associated time slips with seeing UFOs, so there’s some UFO activity involved. But they always seem to involve somebody having a sense of feeling disoriented or just not feeling quite right and then having this time slip occur. It’s almost like they black out for a very short period of time. And then when they come to, when they regain conscious awareness, they’re nowhere near where they should have been and a big chunk of time has gone by.
Chronesthesia is a way to refer to mental time travel. The idea comes from the research community. It’s sort of a scientific name that they’ve given to the idea that the brain does have ways of subjectively traveling through time. That doesn’t mean that we’re doing it physically but the brain is doing it. It’s doing it through perception, through memory. And so there’s a whole new area of studying neuroscience into this type of mental time travel.
SC: In your book, you mention that time travel might occur or be related to dreams, experiences of déjà vu, missing time, time slips and paranormal experiences, UFOs, as well as altered states. There seems to be a whole paranormal side to time travel or time slips. My question, then, is time travel a merely a subjective experience, something that happens in your head?
MJ: That’s what the scientific community would have us believe and there’s no proof that it is objective, that it isn’t subjective. But to people who have had these experiences, especially in the dream state, where you have a precognitive dream of something that ends up really actually happening in the future or you have a dream about a past life, perhaps, those dreams feel just as real to us as our waking state and the brain identifies dreams as being just as real as what happens in the waking state. So yes, these are subjective time travel experiences but, to the body, to the brain, to us, the ones who are experiencing them, they feel just as real. The sad thing is that because human beings are so focused on the physical and, especially science, we seem to ignore all the ways that we might be mentally and subjectively time traveling which, to me, are just as exciting, if not more exciting than the idea of doing it physically by getting in some kind of device or craft and jetting off into the future.
Chronesthesia is a way to refer to mental time travel.
SC: How is science catching up with science fiction now?
MJ: What’s really cool and really exciting is that the science fiction novels of yesteryear, the mid-1700s into the 1800s, and books that have been written just a short time ago as well, they seemed to envision and imagine future technology and its scientific knowledge that we now are bringing into our reality. So it really seems like the science fiction of yesterday leads to the science fact of today and tomorrow. And with time travel, a lot of the people who did or are writing about it in a fictional format such as H.G. Wells and Charles Dickens and the great science fiction writers, Isaac Asimov, Heinlein, you name it, they were imagining technology that was based on the available technology of their time. It wasn’t like they were making everything up but what they were doing was looking at what was available at their time and their time frame and then imagining what might develop from that. It really takes a great deal of creativity, foresight and intelligence to be able to do that. It’s just stunning to see that today we consider either theory, or scientific fact, so many things that people wrote about in a fictional form. I think it really does all begin in the imagination.
SC: After all of your research for this book, did you come to see some evidence or something that would tell you that time travel is something factual, that it’s actually attainable?
MJ: Yes, it is attainable, theoretically. We can time travel with little particles like photons and the quantum physics realm where we can do things where we have not quite been able to figure out how to do in the big, more cosmic realm. But definitely, it is theoretically possible. Physicists who have devoted so much time and attention to time travel know how we can do it, we just don’t have the technology yet. It does involve some things that we’re not quite sure exist, like wormholes, the idea of a shortcut through space and time using a black hole on one end and a white hole, which is really just another black hole, at the other end of the universe and tunneling through space time. Theoretically, that makes sense. It works mathematically, we just don’t have proof yet that one actually exists. So when I say that time travel is definitely possible, what it means is that we got all the right theories, we got all the right ideas, it seems to be possible on the quantum level, we just aren’t advanced enough in our technology to do it now. Maybe 50 years from now, maybe 20, the way things are progressing.
That doesn’t mean that we’re doing it physically but the brain is doing it. It’s doing it through perception, through memory. And so there’s a whole new area of studying neuroscience into this type of mental time travel.
SC: You included in the book a comment by physicist Michio Kaku, who said that time travel is really only an engineering problem now. Can you tell us what scientists are up to, what are the new theories coming up that support time travel?
MJ: Most of the research is focused on two things. One, trying to overcome the limitation of light speed because we’re limited by Einstein deciding that light speed is as fast as anything can go. If we can break though that, and we’ve come very close, then we might be able to send some type of device into the future. One of the other things is the multiverse theory. Some of the limitations are the limitation of light speed or some of the paradoxes that time travel introduces such as what if you go back to the past and change something, will you change your destiny or completely change the future? Those kind of paradoxes and philosophical problems, the multiverse kind of does away with all of those. What it suggests is you can maybe not time travel in this universe but in the next one you can. You can time travel in this universe, go back to the past, change something and ruin the future in the universe but, in the next universe, everything will stay the same. So it’s sort of a band-aid for all of the different problems that occur when we talk about what we could do. Looking at things like wormholes, the research going on at the large hadron collider outside of Geneva, in Switzerland, the physicists there are trying to prove the existence of things like string theory, parallel universes, black holes and maybe even worm holes. If they can do that, if they can actually see one form by bashing these particles together at high speeds, they might be able to start understanding how we can extrapolate that information to a more cosmic scale. There’s a lot of really wonderful theoretical research going on. Nobody has yet invented a time travel device that works although there are people who will tell you that the government has already done it. But that seems to be the case for a lot of things. I think, again, that we’re getting closer. The engineering problem, I feel in 50 years could be completely overcome, and maybe sooner. I mean, you see how quickly our technology is progressing and developing just over the last 25 years. Wow, I mean, what progress we’ve made. So it could be ten years from now that we’ll be watching TV and watching the Olympics but it’ll be a time travel device to be sent into the future.
SC: Why are wormholes important for research on time travel?
MJ: Because they’re a wonderful way to cut through an awful lot of space and cut through points in time. What they do is they can take vast distances — let’s imagine an apple and you’re a little worm on the outside of the apple and you want to get to the other side. You have two choices. You either go around the perimeter of the apple, which would take a while, or you can find a way to bore straight through to the other side, which would be a shortcut. That’s exactly how it is with time and space. We can either take the long way which may take us millions of years to get from point A to point B or we could find that shortcut by going through a wormhole that would literally connect us to another point in our universe or to another universe or even another time frame. I mean, theoretically, there can be wormholes that connect the past, the future, the future to the present, the present to the past and on and on. Really, a wormhole is a shortcut through space and time where you get rid of all of that vast distance of the cosmos by boring straight through where space and time bends.
SC: Are wormholes real or are they a theory?
MJ: Theory, absolutely theoretical. But we have more and more evidence of the existence of black holes. And how many years ago did we not even have that? Theoretically, right now, the idea is whether we can find these other black holes, because physicists have reasons for coming up with theories; they’re not just looking for shortcuts or ways around problems. The scientists see in the mathematical ratios that they’re working with that there might be evidence of this. So right now we have more evidence of black holes. All it would take would be a little bit more evidence of the presence of another black hole or maybe some kind of activity between two that might be identifiable as a wormhole. But as of right now, it’s pure theory.
It’s just stunning to see that today we consider either theory, or scientific fact, so many things that people wrote about in a fictional form. I think it really does all begin in the imagination.
SC: What about new theories, such as the one from Chinese astrophysicist, Wun Yi Shu, that he claims the Big Bang never happened, for example?
MJ: I think that was actually discounted since we wrote the book but there are a lot of studies that come out where people disprove or prove something and then a year later, somebody disproves that. There’s another theory that not only did the Big Bang happen but it was one of many big bangs, and that lends more credence to the idea of parallel universes and the multiverse. One study suggested that there are places in our own universe, because of the Big Bang and then inflation and the expansion of the universe, that are on the outer regions of the universe where the laws of physics are completely different than they are in our little corner of the universe. So every year somebody decides to prove or disprove something and, unfortunately, when we were writing the book, one of the big experiments was with neutrinos and it raised a big fuss because some of the experiments with neutrinos looked like they may have gone faster than the speed of light. Just as we had turned the book in, that study was voided because of some technical glitches. You have to pay attention weekly to see what goes on with all of these studies and all this research. That’s the way it is with the universe because the further out the Hubble telescope looks or we send out our Rovers to Mars or what have you, the more that we look out there, the more we see, the more we learn and then we end up discounting some of the earlier theories and, even, facts. Einstein said that he knew that eventually everything he put down as law would one day be overturned.
It’s a race and you know that the first person to come up with the answer, they’re going to be a hero or heroine. The thing is that every time somebody comes up with a theory we’ll learn something new about the universe. And so then they have to incorporate that knowledge into theory and sometimes it fits and sometimes it doesn’t. And with time travel, you have a lot of amazing, great minds that are working on this. You also have a lot of mavericks who are not necessarily physicists but they’re so obsessed with time travel, they’re working in their underground basement laboratories on theories and ideas. It’ll really be interesting to see what country or who comes up with a viable working time machine device and whether it’s a brilliant scientist or some guy tinkering in his garage.
SC: What about teleportation? Did you include that in your research on time travel?
MJ: Just a little bit because teleportation, again, is one of those wonderful theoretical devices that was used so much in science fiction like Star Trek, science fiction novels television shows and movies that everybody figured we could never do it and, of course, now we have achieved teleportation in the quantum physics world. We’re not able to teleport a human yet but we have been able to do it with particles. We’ve shown that that’s possible in the quantum realm. I think it’s one more example of the possibility of time travel. If you can move objects through space, if you can teleport a particle through space, why wouldn’t you be able to do the same through time? Because space and time are interwoven so, really, what you can do in one you should be able to do in the other.
SC: You mentioned the correlation between paranormal experiences to time shifts and mental time travel, as well as the connection with UFOs. What do they really have to do with people’s experiences of UFOs, what did you find in your research?
MJ: What we found that was really interesting, actually, with UFOs, there are some conspiracies involving time travel that most people probably haven’t heard about. One involving the Roswell crash in 1947, the famous UFO crash in New Mexico where allegedly the bodies of aliens were retrieved from the crash, there have been a number of people who have suggested that those aliens were time travelers. One of the people who made that suggestion was a very high ranking government official by the name of George Hoover who had access to the wreckage, to the entities, to all of the classified information at the time. And before he passed away, he told his son and ufologist, Bill Birnes, about what he had seen and he said they were time travelers and they were us. They were actually humans that had come from the future and crashed. We hear that also about some of the activity at Area 51 that perhaps what is being examined there, the craft or even alien bodies, has to do more with time travel than UFOs really. We’re talkin about looking into time travel devices. So there’s a lot of shadowy, conspiracy oriented stuff that goes on in the UFO field; none of it proven, of course. It’s all word, people that are saying this is what I saw but, again, nothing proven.
SC: What about the concept of “metamaterials” that can be used to manipulate electromagnetic fields and time distortions? Can you tell us a little about what that means?
MJ: I’m sure a lot of people are familiar with the Philadelphia Experiment, another conspiracy that occurred in the 40s. It involved a US ship, the USS Eldridge, that apparently was part of a cloaking experiment using the electromagnetic field to render it invisible to enemy radar. We don’t know if that really happened but here’s the thing. After all these years later, just a couple of years ago, physicists have been able to render two dimensional and three dimensional objects either partially invisible or entirely invisible using what they call metamaterials. They’re very exotic materials, also involving the use of microwaves. Here’s another example of something that you might have read about in a science fiction novel, cloaking an alien craft and making it invisible to the enemy. We’re now actually able to do that in a scientific laboratory setting. And this is something that might be applicable in military and warfare situations, the idea that you can cloak a tank or some kind of drone and not have it be visible to the enemy.
The Roswell crash in 1947, where allegedly the bodies of aliens were retrieved from the crash, there have been a number of people who have suggested that those aliens were time travelers.
SC: Since you’ve dealt a lot with the paranormal and conspiracy theories in your research, in your personal opinion, why would the governments insist in keeping this information hidden from the public and send mis- and disinformation out instead? What would be the reason behind this?
MJ: I remember talking to somebody who was telling me what was going on in Area 51. They had heard from someone who heard from someone — you know, this could be a rumor — that the whole UFO enigma about Area 51 was a smokescreen to keep people distracted from what was really going on there which was time travel research. My feeling is the misinformation is a distraction to keep not necessarily the public, but the military and governments of other countries, from really understanding how far we have gone with our technology. I think that when you’re dealing with something like time travel, there are a lot of dangers. We really don’t know what it means to go back in time and make changes to anything, to go into the future and tamper with the future. We really don’t know how it affects the present reality that we’re all in. We could end up destroying ourselves either way. So I think there’s a lot of fear and concern that their research and the information and technology will be misused or get into the wrong hands. It is either that or just, typically, our military government complex wanting to keep control of the technology, either way.
SC: Where do ghosts fit or come into the picture of time travel then?
MJ: We always think of ghosts as being the sort of spirit or essence of a dead person wandering around in our own universe, in our own frame of reference, in our reality. But there have been a lot of ghost sightings that involve people who are dressed in clothing from the 1700s or the Victorian era and it may not be that the essence of that person is just hanging around. What we might be actually viewing is somebody in that literal time frame in another universe, in a parallel universe where it is still the 1700s or their universe is so close to ours but the time frame is a little bit different. In other words, all of their events in history may be similar to ours but the time frame is different. So we may actually be looking at real people who exist in an alternate timeline that is co-existing with our own, rather than just always assuming that we’re seeing the disembodied, someone who died in our time frame and our universe.
SC: I noticed your Web site called paraexplorers and wanted to ask you, have you had a personal paranormal experience you could share with us?
MJ: For me, the thing that I’ve experienced the most that really made me feel like I was in two places at once is I have a lot of déjà vu. I wrote a book called The Déjà Vu Enigma with Larry Flaxman, my co-author, and in the writing of that book, came to really understand how much research and interest there is in Déjà Vu because it is so mysterious, it really does make you feel like you’re split, like you’re experiencing yourself in two different realities. And the more I thought about that, the more I realized it tied into the idea of parallel universes and parallel timelines, that you’re getting that little glimpse of you in another reality.
SC: I’m very curious about your previous book on 11:11. Can you tell us what 11:11 is about?
MJ: That was the very first book that Larry Flaxman and I did together, 11:11, the Time Clock Phenomenon, the Meaning behind Mysterious Signs, Sequences and Synchronicities, a long title. We wrote it because there’s this phenomenon going on all over the world where people are seeing very specific time prompts, basically you see — and they don’t have to be time — it could be anything, looking at numbers in any kind of situation. But a lot of people were seeing 11:11. They look up at the clock, they’d see it on a billboard or a sign or a sales receipt and they would see it during the morning, they would see it again at night. And we see the time all the time but I’m talking about people who were specifically drawn to look at the clock at that exact moment in time and felt like it had a meaning, it had some kind of profound meaning for them. So we wrote a book and started off looking at time prompts. Then we began to really look at numbers and how significant numbers are to human beings. The scientists will tell you that the language of the universe is mathematics and that if we ever were to meet alien intelligence from another civilization, they would probably speak or communicate with us through numbers, through mathematics. It’s a universal language, a cosmic language. The book, then, really became about the very profound and mystical nature of numbers. But it’s fascinating because we found that the 11:11 time, specifically, has its roots in this concept of some big change coming on December 21, 2012, the alleged end date of one of the Mayan calendars that everybody is fussing about. What we found was that the winter solstice, which was very important to the Mayan civilization, will begin that day at 11:11 a.m. Greenwich Mean Time. So you have a lot of people who have these 11:11s who think that they are universal wakeup calls. They’re prompting people to pay attention, to wake up, take a look at what’s going on and start working on raising consciousness, get ready to usher in a new paradigm of existence on this planet because we’re really not doing a very good job with the old paradigm. So there’s a lot of real spiritual, metaphysical, environment implications that people feel are associated with the 11:11 time prompt and what shift might be coming in December of this year.
SC: Wow, that’s really interesting. I didn’t know that the 11:11 time prompt was connected to 2012 as well. Do you think this might be a subconscious message that is coming to the surface in some people?
MJ: We didn’t know either until we started doing the research. We were like what, what’s going on here? And then we thought, “Oh, wow, okay. Now it makes sense why so many people get so excited about 11:11 and not about 12:12 or 10:10 or 999 or whatever. So that really makes sense.
I think that numbers speak to our subconscious. We understand the symbolism of numbers. We may not understand them consciously but I know that our subconscious gets it. I think it’s the same for things like symbols or crop circles and geometrical designs and shapes. Our subconscious understands the language that is trying to be conveyed. So when people have time prompts, especially 11:11 or when they think about what might be coming in December 2012, they think about a very specific time that they attach importance to, they may not know consciously what they feel it’s so important. They and many people feel something big is coming but we can’t quite put our finger on it. I think that’s because it’s not quite meant for us to consciously get it yet. The subconscious is handling it, understands it, is processing it, is taking care of it and, at the right moment, it will be made available to our conscious awareness.
We found that the 11:11 time, specifically, has its roots in this concept of some big change coming on December 21, 2012, the alleged end date of one of the Mayan calendars.
SC: Going back to those déjà vus and paranormal experiences where time shifts seem to be a subjective experience where the brain and consciousness are key players, can you tell us what you found about how the brain perceives time and what role it plays in time travel?
MJ: The problem is the brain perceives time completely different from how time might really be. Our brains are created or structured to perceive time in a linear fashion. We’re so limited by that and we’re controlled by it but there’s a reason — it’s functional. It gives us the ability to put order to the events in our lives so that they make some kind of sense. On the quantum level, and also on the cosmic level, there is no linear time. Past, present and future all exist at once. There is a brilliant quote that science fiction writer Ray Cummings wrote in 1922: “Time is what keeps everything from happening at once.” We have really invented time to serve a particular function for our survival as human beings. What we are learning, the further out we look into the universe, the more we learn about time as well as space, because the two are interconnected, is that time may be fluid. It may not even exist at all. We don’t really know if time is fixed beyond the structure of the human brain. Living things all seem to follow the arrow of time and the structure of linear time. But beyond that, beyond our very limited human experience, even our consciousness is able to transcend the limitations of linear time. So it’s really exciting to think that beyond my physical body, which is very limited, there is no such thing as time. I know that people feel that when they meditate, when they experience an altered state of consciousness, however they achieve that altered state, they’re able to transcend the limitations of the brain and the physical body.